Uri Avnery on boycotting Israel, pt. 2, response 1
by Matt Giwer, © 2009 [September 8]

The Boycott Revisited from Antiwar.com

The Boycott Revisited
by Uri Avnery, September 07, 2009

The people of Sodom, the Bible tells us, were very wicked indeed.

They had a nasty habit of putting every passing stranger into one particular bed. If the stranger was too tall, his legs were shortened. If he was too short, his body was stretched to the required length.

In a way, each of us has such a bed, into which we put everything new. Confronted with a novel situation, we tend to equate it with a situation we have known in the past.

In politics, this method is especially pervasive. It relieves us of the irksome necessity of studying an unfamiliar situation and drawing new conclusions.

Once, the pattern of Vietnam was applied to every struggle around the world -- from Argentina to North Korea. Nowadays, the fashion points to South Africa. Everything resembles the struggle against apartheid, unless proven otherwise.

Without getting ahead of the story let me say up front examples of successful boycotts are few and far between. That said the boycott against South Africa did achieve its objective. It should be counted as a success.


Since sending out last week's article, I have been flooded with responses, some laudatory, some abusive, some thoughtful, some merely angry.

Generally, I don't argue with my esteemed readers. I don't want to impose my views, I just want to provide food for thought and leave it to the reader to form his or her own opinion.

This time I feel that I owe it to my readers to clear up some of the points I was trying to make and answer some of the objections. So here we go.


I have no argument with people who hate Israel. That's entirely their right. I just don't think that we have any common ground for discussion.

Mr. Avnery, the issue is not hatred per se. The issue is what Israelis say is hatred. The two are never the same thing. Hatred of what Israel does is not the same as hatred of Israel. It is not what Israel does to survive. It is what Israel does to keep what it has stolen from others. It is that Israel continues to steal from others.

I would only like to point out that hatred is a very bad adviser. Hatred leads nowhere, but to more hatred. That, by the way, is a positive lesson we can draw from the South African experience. There they overcame hatred to a remarkable extent, largely thanks to the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" headed by Archbishop Tutu, where people admitted their past offenses.

This is a good observation. To keep this observation in context it should be applied after a one state solution is implemented. It is not applicable to the situation now to the Palestinians and Israelis nor is it applicable to Israel and any other country.

One thing is certain: hatred does not lead toward peace. Let me be quite explicit about this, because I sense that some people, in their righteous indignation over Israel's occupation, have lost sight of this.

Peace is made between enemies, after war, in which awful things invariably happen. Peace can be made and maintained between peoples who are prepared to live with each other, respect each other, recognize the humanity of each other. They don't have to love each other.

Describing the other side as monsters may be useful in waging war, but singularly unhelpful in waging peace.

When I receive a missive that is dripping with hatred of Israel, that portrays all Israelis (including myself, of course) as monsters, I fail to envision how the writer imagines peace. Peace with monsters? Angels and monsters living side by side in peace and harmony in one state, hating each other's guts?

If this is the case then you are saying the Jewish hatred of Nazi Germany in the 1930s was a mistake. I suspect you will always have an exception for those whom Jews hate.

It is not proper to put words in your mouth. Therefore I simply advise you to apply this observation to the hatred Jewish Israelis have for non-Jewish Israelis and for their non-citizen Palestinian victims. The Palestinians are the innocent victims of Zionism. They did nothing to deserve their fate at the hands of the Zionists.

The view of Israel as a monolithic entity composed of racists and brutal oppressors is a caricature. Israel is a complex society, struggling with itself. The forces of good and evil, and many in between, are locked in a daily battle on many different fronts. The settlers and their supporters are strong, perhaps getting stronger (though I doubt it), but are far -- even in their own view -- from a decisive victory. Neve Gordon, for example, has been left unmolested in his post at Ben-Gurion University, because any attempt to remove him would have caused a public outcry.

To the contrary, good sir, to the outside world Israel appears a monolith. This is perhaps attributed to the fact that the far left of the Israeli political spectrum would be right of center in the West. Israel's left is only left in the context of the politics of the middle east.


I also have no argument with those who want to abolish the state of Israel. It is as much their right to aspire to that as it is my right to want to dismantle, let's say, the USA or France, neither of which has an unblemished past.

It is illogical to compare the past with the present. It is a method of propaganda not of reasoned discourse. It is the USA and France wishing to bring the benefits of liberal and multi-cultural society to Israel that is a problem for you.

Reading some of the messages sent to me and trying to analyze their contents, I get the feeling they are not so much about a boycott on Israel as about the very existence of Israel. Some of the writers obviously believe that the creation of the state of Israel was a terrible mistake to start with, and therefore should be reversed. Turn the wheel of history back some 62 years and start anew.

What really disturbs me about this is that almost nobody in the West comes out and says clearly: Israel must be abolished. Some of the proposals, like those for a "One State" solution, sound like euphemisms. If one believes that the state of Israel should be abolished and replaced by a state of Palestine or a state of Happiness, why not say so openly?

It is not said openly because people of this opinion are not caricatures. There is a difference between the existence of a state and the nature of the state. Changing the nature of the state does not abolish the state. The nature of South Africa changed while the state remains.

Confounding the existence of a state with the nature of a state is a puerile debating tactic. Not that you are alone in this. Israelis have always confounded figurative destruction with literal destruction. Israel is currently trying to cause war on Iran with the claim Iran wants to wipe Israel off of the map. Jews wiped Palestine off of the map. No one but Palestinians miss Palestine. It is unlikely anyone but Jews would miss Israel.

Of course, that does not mean peace. Peace between Israel and Palestine presupposes that Israel is there. Peace between the Israeli people and the Palestinian people presupposes that both peoples have a right to self-determination and agree to the peace. Does anyone really believe that racist monsters like us would agree to give up our state because of a boycott?

If one assumes Israeli Jews really are racist monsters of course it is unlikely to work. But you are also arguing they are not racist monsters. You are attacking the consistency of the argument about a boycott. You are not addressing the boycott itself. As such you are doing no more than attacking the messenger. That is a logical fallacy.

The French and the Germans did not agree to live in one joint state, though the differences between them are incomparably smaller than those between Jewish Israelis and Arab Palestinians. Instead, they set up a European Union, composed of nation-states. Some 50 years ago I called for a similar Semitic Union, including Israel and Palestine. I still do.

Creating a false analogy is also a logical fallacy. Do we not have 62 years of experience showing the non-Jewish and the Jewish citizens of Israel can live side by side? Are we to ignore the evidence of our eyes, that Jews and non-Jews in a single state can live together peacefully and create a prosperous state?

I leave it to you to decide if I am being serious or sarcastic.

Anyway, there is no sense in arguing with those who pray for the disappearance of the sovereign state of Israel, rather than for the appearance of the sovereign state of Palestine at its side.

A boycott is not a prayer. It is clear that an oil embargo on Israel will cause the lights to go out in a week. We know that will work. The only issue is the wise application of boycotts to achieve an objective without such a drastic step.

As to the proper tactic, the boycott should be measured to achieve an optimum rate of immigrants returning home such that the disappearance of a Jewish majority is a foreseeable consequence. When that point is reached the government of Israel must decide between emigration and salvaging the best from a deal going sour.

A total boycott on any and all construction materials would appear to be the place to start. This would directly address the criminal construction of squattertowns in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Syrian Heights, aka Golan Heights. It would also collapse the construction industry inside Israel sending the country into a recession. Further it would give Israelis a direct experience with the consequences of their blockade on construction materials entering into Gaza.


The real argument is among those who want to see peace between the two states, Israel and Palestine. The question is: how can it be achieved? This is an honest debate and is generally conducted in a civil manner. My debate with Neve Gordon is in this framework.

If that is in fact the real argument then first we must have two states. A boycott is proposed to bring about two states. What is your real reason for not supporting a boycott?

The advocates of boycott believe that the main, indeed the only, way to induce Israel to give up the occupied territories and agree to peace is to exert pressure from the outside.

I have no quarrel with the idea of outside pressure. The question is: pressure on whom? On the government, the settlers and their supporters? Or on the entire Israeli people?

The first answer is, I believe, the right one. That's why I hope that President Barack Obama will publish a detailed peace plan with a fixed timetable and apply the immense powers of persuasion of the USA to get both sides to agree. I don't think that this is politically possible without the support of a large part of Israeli society (and, by the way, of the U.S. Jewish community).

You agree with pressure on the government. Israel is a democracy. The people are the government. It is not possible to pressure only the government of a democracy. The people can be the only target. This does mean non-Jewish citizens of Israel will suffer. We are making an omlette.

Some readers have lost all hope in Obama. That is, without doubt, premature. Obama has not surrendered to Binyamin Netanyahu -- indeed, it is quite conceivable that the opposite is happening. The struggle is on, it is a hard struggle against determined opposition, and we should do all we can to help Obama's peace policy to prevail. We must do this as Israelis, from inside Israel, and thereby show that this is not a struggle of the U.S. against Israel, but a joint struggle against the Israeli government and the settlers.

Have we not had 42 years of experience from which a rational person can only conclude Israel wants land not peace? Have we not learned in these four decades that both the left and the right want land not peace? Is not doing the same thing and expecting a different result a functional definition of insanity?

The idea of a joint struggle with the government against the settlers assumes the government is against the settlers. It is not. If in fact Israel wanted to act against the settlers it could do so in as short a time as it would take to shut off their electricity and water. The fact is the settlers have electricity and water because the government supports those criminal squatters. The squattertowns have been an enterprise of every government liberal, conservative or middle of the road.

The government of Israel is not a partner in peace.

It follows that any boycott must serve this purpose: to isolate the settlers and the individuals and institutions which openly support them, but not declare war on Israel and the Israeli people as such. In the 11 years since Gush Shalom declared a boycott of the products of the settlements, this process has been gaining momentum. We must laud the Norwegian decision, this week, to divest from the Israeli Elbit company because of their involvement with the "Separation Fence" that is being built on Palestinian land and whose main purpose is to annex occupied territories to Israel. This is a splendid example: a focused action against a specific target, based on a ruling of the International Court.

A boycott is not a declaration of war no matter how devoutly you want to declare them the same so you can judge them both by the justification for war. You are an example of the left in Israel being right of center in the West.

Norway is not the first to divest itself of stock in Israeli companies. They will do it by selling it to other people. The total consequence is to the Elbit company whose stock price will decline for a while. It will have no effect on the construction of the fence or the theft of the property of Palestinians.

You speak of a boycott as though it were something based solely upon a moral consideration rather than to do something that works. If you want to send a message use Western Union. If you want to achieve results do something that has a material impact which is both direct and immediate.

Let me take your own example. After eleven years of promoting a boycott of settlement products it is (finally) gaining some momentum. Would Job have this much patience? How many more generations of Palestinians must be victims of Zionism before you Zionists get around to doing something about it in your own way and on your own schedule?

I think that far more can be done by a concentrated national and international campaign. A central office should be set up to direct this effort throughout the world against clear and specific targets. Such an effort could be helped by world public opinion, which recoils from the idea of boycotting the state of Israel, and not only because of the memory of the Holocaust, but will identify itself with action against the occupation and the oppression.

This is an excellent reason to forget the Holocaust. Israel misuses its memory. The world does not equate Israel with the Holocaust and Israelis bridle at the suggestion of a connection between it and the existence of their country. The West must learn to imitate the Israelis in this regard and never again listen to any Israeli politician such as Netanyahu and Lieberman making a connection between the two.

While we are speaking of ineffective gestures, set up a central office? A committee? To coordinate? To spend how many years coming up with specific targets? No. Every country is different and must boycott Israel in its own way that is in its own best interests if we want something accomplished in our lifetimes.

I have been asked about the Palestinian reaction to the boycott idea. At present, Palestinians do not boycott even the settlements; indeed, it is Palestinian workers who are building almost all the houses there, out of economic necessity. Their feelings can only be guessed. All self-respecting Palestinians would, of course, support any effective measure directed against the occupation. But it would not be honest to dangle before their eyes the false hope that a worldwide boycott would bring Israel to its knees. The truth is that only the close cooperation of Palestinian, Israeli, and international peace forces could generate the necessary momentum to end the occupation and achieve peace.

We know why the Palestinians build the homes for the squatters. Israel has destroyed the economy of the West Bank. As it has said Israel wants them as hewers of wood and carriers of water using the biblical euphemism for slaves. They are a captive labor who must take any work available even if it is from their enemy who despises them for not being Jews.

The problem is always getting the cooperation of the Jewish Israelis. They have a five to one majority of the Israeli voters. They do despise the minority and do not consider them equals. They will never consider the Palestinians their equals. A million of their lives are not worth a Jewish fingernail. It is these people who must be coerced into being cooperative. As with South Africa the only language they understand is force.

This is especially important because our task in Israel today is not so much to convince the majority of Israelis that peace is good and the price acceptable, but first that peace is possible at all. Most Israelis have lost that hope, and its revival is absolutely vital on the way to peace.

Peace is not possible at present because Israel will only consider peace on its terms. Those terms are not only no price at all but rather for additional rewards. If Jewish Israelis need to learn anything at all it is that there must be a price for their continued oppression of Palestinians.

At present they are paying no price at all. The price must be a broad based reduction in their standard of living so every Israeli pays a price for their oppression of non-Jews.

It is also possible to ban just Jewish Israelis from entering other countries as Israel's internal passports are marked by religion. Thus it is possible to exclude only those whose Israeli identification cards are stamped with a J.


To remove any misconceptions about myself, let me state as clearly as possible where I stand:

I am an Israeli.

I am an Israeli patriot.

P. W. Botha was both a South African and a patriot.

I want my state to be democratic, secular, and liberal, ending the occupation and living at peace both with the free and sovereign state of Palestine that will come into being next to it, and with the entire Arab world.

When Israel has had liberal governments they have done the same as when there are conservative governments. Why would you want a liberal state when you know it does not work and have written to that effect?

A secular government is incompatible with rampant discrimination based upon religious superiority. Yet you say you want a state with a majority for a particular religion. That is not secular.

I want Israel to be a state belonging to all its citizens, without distinction of ethnic origin, gender, religion, or language; with completely equal rights for all; a state in which the Hebrew-speaking majority will retain its close ties with the Jewish communities around the world, and the Arab-speaking citizens will be free to cherish their close ties with their Palestinian brothers and sisters and the Arab world at large.

Substituting Hebrew-speaking for Jewish is deceptive in the extreme. Let me restate the above with your real desires.

I want Israel to be a Jewish majority state belonging to all its citizens, without distinction of ethnic origin, gender, religion, or language;

It is not possible to have a state without distinction regarding religion and at the same time use religion to establish a majority. The term that comes to mind is hypocrite.

If this is racism, Zionism, or worse, so be it.

It is a rare for an Israeli to admit Zionism is worse than racism.

What you have written is a description of your bed. You want the present situation to continue so that your stand in your country against the conservative forces continues. This will assure you a place in the liberal hierarchy of Israel. Your vested interest resides in the struggle not in the victory.

Your right of center political position is very clear. You want equality but with a Jewish majority which can continue the segregated state of Israel assuring non-Jewish Israelis will always be the butt of religious discrimination. One might even suggest you relish taking up an ineffective struggle against religious discrimination to carry you into retirement.

You do not say what you know. You know the West does not support Israel as a state perpetually dominated by Jews. Long ago the West gave up on the idea of a single religion dominating the state. Long since the West views such states as backward and third world.

Israel will change because the times have changed. The Zionist enterprise is out of date. It is old fashioned. It's time has passed.


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